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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting In The United States Reply with quote
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the US voting machine industry.

3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

5. 35% of ES&S is owned by Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, who became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, a long-time friend of the Bush family, was caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice- presidential candidates.

8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the US and counts almost 60% of all US votes.

9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

12. Diebold employs 5 convicted felons as developers. These are the people who write the voting machine computer code.

13. Diebold's Senior Vice-President, Jeff Dean, was convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree.

14. Diebold Senior Vice-President Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it!

17. 30% of all US votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail. 18. Bush's Help America Vote Act of 2002 has as its goal to replace all machines with the new electronic touch screen systems with no paper trail.

18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.

20. Major statistical voting oddities (odds on the order of 250 million to 1!) -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated by experts.

Such amazing odds, the equivalent of statistical miracles these were. Was it God? Or was it Diebold...?

Here's just a few sources:

1.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold

2.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm

3.
http://www.americanfreepress.n.....mpany.html

4.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....2436.shtml

5.
http://www.motherjones.com/com.....3_200.html

6.
http://www.blackboxvoting.com/.....amp;sid=26
http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx
http://www.onlisareinsradar.co.....000896.php

7.
http://www.businessweek.com/20.....689130.htm
http://theindependent.com/stor.....gel27.html

8.
http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

9.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.itworld.com/Tech/29.....index.html

10.
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm
http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm

11.
http://www.diebold.com/aboutus.....efault.htm

12.
http://www.wired.com/news/evot.....40,00.html

13.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

14.
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

15.
http://www.globalexchange.org/...../2638.html
http://www.enquirer.com/editio.....lexoh.html

16.
http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190

17.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....2436.shtml

18.
http://www.wired.com/news/evot.....57,00.html
http://www.ilcaonline.org/modu.....e&sid= 950
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/s.....S00227.htm

19.
http://www.tallahassee.com/mld.....628725.htm

20.
http://www.computerworld.com/g.....14,00.html
http://www.americanfreepress.n.....sands.html
http://www.commondreams.org/he.....106-30.htm
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html
http://uscountvotes.org/
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If republicans had this much control why isn't out country more totalrian instead of more socialist? Why is abortion still legal and sexual promiscuiety still rampant?

I believe there's a conspiracy, but I also believe both parties are in on it and Stalin carbon copies. Republicans are only in theory less left-wing then democrats and not even by a whole lot.

I knew voting was rigged when the voting booths were inside a Free Masons building.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If republicans had this much control why isn't out country more totalrian instead of more socialist? Why is abortion still legal and sexual promiscuiety still rampant?

I believe there's a conspiracy, but I also believe both parties are in on it and Stalin carbon copies. Republicans are only in theory less left-wing then democrats and not even by a whole lot.

I knew voting was rigged when the voting booths were inside a Free Masons building.


you think that we are more socialist than totalitarian? what rock have you lived under for the past 6 years?

ever heard of signing statements?
ever heard about bush's tax cuts for the rich and how social programs are being gutted to pay for them?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh how horrible, less taxes and less goverment spending. You know what that means? Smaller goverment.

Oh yeah, that's really totalrian. Rolling Eyes

I have noticed anything being passed. I won't believe this is a totalrian society untill we all have turbans wrapped around our heads. And if it were up to liberals we would. Sept we'd pray to the state instead of Allah. Hense socialism.

Here in Florida we passed some ammendmants to lower taxes for the less fortunate. People that made below 10,000 a year and handicap veterans.

Oh yeah, those two really sound like fatcat capitalista. Rolling Eyes

If you like communism so much why don't you go to N. Koreia, i'm sure you'd love it. Work 18 hours a day in grueling labor for nothing more then a few shreds of food, church and state are tottaly seperate because Jim Kong declares himself as God, and there's no evil rich bastards to envy because everyone is equaly miserable.

Sounds like a real vacation spot. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting In The United States Reply with quote
I can't think of a reason that anyone, be they Liberal or Conservative, would support electronic voting machines. It's just asking for problems.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Spider Jerusalem wrote:
Oh how horrible, less taxes and less goverment spending. You know what that means? Smaller goverment.

Oh yeah, that's really totalrian. Rolling Eyes

I have noticed anything being passed. I won't believe this is a totalrian society untill we all have turbans wrapped around our heads. And if it were up to liberals we would. Sept we'd pray to the state instead of Allah. Hense socialism.

Here in Florida we passed some ammendmants to lower taxes for the less fortunate. People that made below 10,000 a year and handicap veterans.

Oh yeah, those two really sound like fatcat capitalista. Rolling Eyes

If you like communism so much why don't you go to N. Koreia, i'm sure you'd love it. Work 18 hours a day in grueling labor for nothing more then a few shreds of food, church and state are tottaly seperate because Jim Kong declares himself as God, and there's no evil rich bastards to envy because everyone is equaly miserable.

Sounds like a real vacation spot. Rolling Eyes


your head must be located inside you anus. this whole reply showcases your ignorance and racism.

less taxes = less government spending = smaller government...do you get your facts from your "gut"?
the tax cuts are being paid for by cutting social service programs and taking out loans. yea the government is really smaller...


we will not be totalitarian until we have turbons wrapped around our heads?

what the fuck are you trying to say here? that you are a racist zionist?

no jackass, liberals do not want to force people to pray to the state. they want to force the state to ensure that people can pray to whatever the fuck they want to and make sure that religion is not made into law.

oh wow! one law was passed to help poor people in florida. this must prove that the rich are not getting richer and the poor must not be getting poorer.

why don't you go live in camden new jersey. then tell me how sweet capitalism is and how it takes such good care of the less fortunate.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting In The United States Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
I can't think of a reason that anyone, be they Liberal or Conservative, would support electronic voting machines. It's just asking for problems.


because the fucking cons think that by pointing out the fact that paperless electronic voting is unsafe, they are admitting that bush stole the election.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Blahblahblah bullshit

There's nothing funnier then watching a liberal get red in the face when they confront cold hard capitalism.

It makes them look like bigger fools when five minutes later they proclaim "morality is subjective". Apparently it's only subjective when it's conservatives morales. I mean, it's not like conservative values were written in stone.

Oh wait..
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
So... because sexual promiscuity is rampant, this has what to do with who has control over votes? I'm not gonna say the Republicans or anyone have the system rigged, but you could fuck with the votes any way you wanted to in the last four elections and it wouldn't change how often people fuck each other or in what holes. There could be a sodomy law with a twenty year prison sentence in every state and teenagers would still give each other blowjobs, and homosexuals would still pull the shades down and do whatever came naturally to them. To actually change that trend, you'd first have to convince every parent, advertiser, and moviemaker in the country to agree on when sex is okay and when it isn't, and then hit the entire new generation with that value from the day they begin to understand what sexuality IS. All the rigged voting machines in the world won't do that. I'm not even gonna bother with the rest of your "logic" because you're way too far right to believe anything other than that government is evil unless it's legislating victimless moral crimes, capitalism is perfect, and anyone who disagrees with you hates america and wants to hug terrorists.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Apparently you don't know what far right is boy. This country is a shithole because everyone is too far left. Are you illiterate? My test results always comeout moderate libertarian.

That's about as un-right wing as it gets. Radical libertarians are counter-revolutionary, and because I believe in free enterprise and moral liberties to a ceartain extent I obviously can't be totalrian. You have to set standards and limits. Even animals have enough sense not to just do whatever. Except in animals case, when they act stupid, they either starve, get eaten, or in some other way are punished for thier actions.

We want to be above animals yet we expect to act worse then animals.

How is that logical?!

I'm tired of my republican politicians turning into carbon-copy based democrats. Rudy Gulliani, Mark Foley, wtf. What's the point of even voting?!

And be atleast reasonable when you worry about electronic voting. If anyone would rig the election, it'd be some script kid who wanted some write-in commie bastard to win. Not the fatcats up in Washington, they already got all the power they could ever want. This is just a sick gesture on thier part to make us feel like we have some sortof control over our goverment.

Voting was always meaningless. Especialy now with far left republicans and FAAAR left democrats. I'm going to tell you about voting;

Immagine you're locked inside a nightclub filled with sinners, whores, and un-namable freaks who rape pitbulls for fun.

And you aint allowed out untill you all vote on what you're going to do tonight.

So you vote for television, and everyone else as far as the eye can see votes to fuck you with switchblades.

That's voting. And when not rigged I might add.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Spider Jerusalem wrote:
Apparently you don't know what far right is boy. This country is a shithole because everyone is too far left. Are you illiterate? My test results always comeout moderate libertarian.

That's about as un-right wing as it gets. Radical libertarians are counter-revolutionary, and because I believe in free enterprise and moral liberties to a ceartain extent I obviously can't be totalrian. You have to set standards and limits. Even animals have enough sense not to just do whatever. Except in animals case, when they act stupid, they either starve, get eaten, or in some other way are punished for thier actions.

We want to be above animals yet we expect to act worse then animals.

How is that logical?!

I'm tired of my republican politicians turning into carbon-copy based democrats. Rudy Gulliani, Mark Foley, wtf. What's the point of even voting?!

And be atleast reasonable when you worry about electronic voting. If anyone would rig the election, it'd be some script kid who wanted some write-in commie bastard to win. Not the fatcats up in Washington, they already got all the power they could ever want. This is just a sick gesture on thier part to make us feel like we have some sortof control over our goverment.

Voting was always meaningless. Especialy now with far left republicans and FAAAR left democrats. I'm going to tell you about voting;

Immagine you're locked inside a nightclub filled with sinners, whores, and un-namable freaks who rape pitbulls for fun.

And you aint allowed out untill you all vote on what you're going to do tonight.

So you vote for television, and everyone else as far as the eye can see votes to fuck you with switchblades.

That's voting. And when not rigged I might add.


what the fuck are you talking about? did you just get done puffing down rocks?

since you can't seem to stop making an ass of yourself, how about you comment on signing statements. educate me on how signing statements work and how they are not totalitarian.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting In The United States Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
I can't think of a reason that anyone, be they Liberal or Conservative, would support electronic voting machines. It's just asking for problems.


Electronic voting is the best way to go. It's quite efficient.

However...

It has to be done a certain way. It's very easy to make electronic voting work: make the machines print out a paper version of the vote for verification by the voter.

That way, if the electronic vote count is contested, you can have a paper recount.

Without the paper backup, it's obviously a bad idea.

Which is why diebold is so suspicious: they claim that they can't make the machines print stuff out. Which is obviously a crock of shit.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting In The United States Reply with quote
exton wrote:
Mike wrote:
I can't think of a reason that anyone, be they Liberal or Conservative, would support electronic voting machines. It's just asking for problems.


Electronic voting is the best way to go. It's quite efficient.

However...

It has to be done a certain way. It's very easy to make electronic voting work: make the machines print out a paper version of the vote for verification by the voter.

That way, if the electronic vote count is contested, you can have a paper recount.

Without the paper backup, it's obviously a bad idea.

Which is why diebold is so suspicious: they claim that they can't make the machines print stuff out. Which is obviously a crock of shit.


the ones in cuyahoga county, ohio do print a reciept. it is located to the right of the machine and is on a roll, but what actually gets counted is the information stored on a credit card looking thing, with an rfid chip.
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